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Asstool
11-29-2006, 03:01 AM
I saw Haiden saying farewell and decided to follow suit, for everything I’ve been through and done for this guild you all deserve a better goodbye then what I posted.

I joined Black Phoenix in March of 2005. The guild at the time was a small one with 20-25 members, and was just getting ready to start MC together with Witherblaze Conspiracy. Things were much easier back then, you came on, you raided, you hung out for a bit, and that was it. I was really happy to be in a guild with my friends (Gort, Seracor, Telin, etc). There was no drama, guild leadership was focused, and everything went well.

I quickly demonstrated my skill as a warrior and became the guilds’ second main tank, a role I held for over a year and a half. I became Warrior Class Leader a few months into our MC raiding and also held that title for quite some time. I have been there for Black Phoenix for the first pulls of MC to the countless weeks where nobody would show up to Ragnaros to the month break the guild took because of nobody showing up for Razoregore. I was there when we learned Vael when he was on his one-hour spawn. I led this guild during the Green Dragon push, and helped gear the majority of our warriors in NR. I was there day and night farming Silithus so we as a guild could open the Gates of AQ. Few people remain who remember the hours and hours we spent on the Duskwood Satyr or trying to do Eranikus during the Lunar Festival with tons of lowbies around, but I was there, and I persevered through it all.

When Elem decided to reselect his Officers he chose 3 people to be his 2nd in commands, Haiden, Kalrol, and myself. Whatever you may think of me, there is no denying the fact that I had a lot of people’s respect, including Elem.

So why did I leave? I did not leave because I got my 4 pieces of Tier 3, please think hard and carefully before you say something like that. I don’t give two shits about loot, only reason Elem has a Thunderfury is because I passed the first binding to him (I had double his dkp at that time), I also passed Sulfuras to Kalrol. I have never raided for loot, or dkp, when I’m raiding I’m focused on having fun and that comes with progression. In my time in BP, every raid I’ve attended I played with dedication and heart. I brought my laptop to Europe and raided every night from there (which required me to wake up at 3-4 am) because I knew the guild needed me for MC. When I was given Tier 3, I had EVERY intention of raiding with BP till the end of my Warcraft days, the guild I loved and cared about so much, the guild that I helped create, and the raiding force I helped forge.

But I quickly realized that the guild I was in was no longer the guild I cared about. Certain people have poisoned what the guild stands for, and what it could be with their laziness and apathy towards raiding. BP continues to take crappy players to raids that have no intention and make no effort to improve. In order for you to do Naxx you need to have all 40 people actively farming potions and materials for raiding, getting people to get potions for one night of Patchwerk was a feat itself. I won’t name names but you should know who you are by now. These players are nothing but black holes of loot and if they’re around during TBC, they will do nothing but bring your 25 man raids down too. You guys had some of the best players on Argent Dawn, but you also have a lot of lazy people who don’t contribute to the raid at all outside of showing up, you can’t make anything happen if you aren’t all on the same page and have a common focus.


I tried. I tried really hard to get the guild back into focus. Haiden tried, Kalrol tried, but we couldn’t do anything without the rest of BP wanting to succeed. Lack of focused leadership, and ultimately progression produces drama, which is what drove away people like me, Gort, Drace, Lithandrea, Haiden, (I hear Kalrol is taking a break too) and even Mikaya.


In the end, I just wanted to raid and finish Naxx and that is why I joined DP. I don’t care if I don’t see a piece of loot (which is actually not the case at all), I don’t care if I’m cut in TBC, it would not be possible for me to go without raiding for 2 months. It’s only been two weeks since I’ve been in DP, but I am having fun raiding again, and having fun playing again. The only regret I have is not joining sooner.

I’ll miss a few of you, but I won’t miss the Estrogen-based drama, guild leadership throwing fits every raid, and the aforementioned lazy people hindering the progress for everyone. Those of you that I considered my friend should know who you are because I will keep in touch and hope to be able to level and do some instances in TBC with you. This will be my last post on the BP forums, so feel free to move this thread to the private forums.

Farewell

Zeolla
11-29-2006, 03:26 AM
Having fun is all that matters in these sort of things. Good luck in DP, Azgul.

Teri
11-29-2006, 03:48 AM
You were always considered cool by me (and still are).

This mmo is a Game, a complex one at that at end-game level but you go where you are happy the most. Like jovis said, having fun is what matters.

See ya around and good luck in DP!

-Teri-

Darke
11-29-2006, 05:23 AM
lol

This isn't a "goodluckmuchlove" post, but it's sorta relevant and not worth a new thread. I don't keep up with the forums or BP, and I just happened to be bored enough to browse today.

From the impartial standpoint of an outsider; lol, it's a game. Seriously. THAT IS ALL!

Edit: I knew Azgul had a stick up his ass, but man, that's fucked up. Talk about asshat; learn2life retard.

Barnabus
11-29-2006, 05:43 AM
One word to this "farewell".


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

TigerHeart
11-29-2006, 06:20 AM
I saw Haiden saying farewell and decided to follow suit, for everything I’ve been through and done for this guild you all deserve a better goodbye then what I posted.

I joined Black Phoenix in March of 2005. The guild at the time was a small one with 20-25 members, and was just getting ready to start MC together with Witherblaze Conspiracy. Things were much easier back then, you came on, you raided, you hung out for a bit, and that was it. I was really happy to be in a guild with my friends (Gort, Seracor, Telin, etc). There was no drama, guild leadership was focused, and everything went well.

I quickly demonstrated my skill as a warrior and became the guilds’ second main tank, a role I held for over a year and a half. I became Warrior Class Leader a few months into our MC raiding and also held that title for quite some time. I have been there for Black Phoenix for the first pulls of MC to the countless weeks where nobody would show up to Ragnaros to the month break the guild took because of nobody showing up for Razoregore. I was there when we learned Vael when he was on his one-hour spawn. I led this guild during the Green Dragon push, and helped gear the majority of our warriors in NR. I was there day and night farming Silithus so we as a guild could open the Gates of AQ. Few people remain who remember the hours and hours we spent on the Duskwood Satyr or trying to do Eranikus during the Lunar Festival with tons of lowbies around, but I was there, and I persevered through it all.

When Elem decided to reselect his Officers he chose 3 people to be his 2nd in commands, Haiden, Kalrol, and myself. Whatever you may think of me, there is no denying the fact that I had a lot of people’s respect, including Elem.

So why did I leave? I did not leave because I got my 4 pieces of Tier 3, please think hard and carefully before you say something like that. I don’t give two shits about loot, only reason Elem has a Thunderfury is because I passed the first binding to him (I had double his dkp at that time), I also passed Sulfuras to Kalrol. I have never raided for loot, or dkp, when I’m raiding I’m focused on having fun and that comes with progression. In my time in BP, every raid I’ve attended I played with dedication and heart. I brought my laptop to Europe and raided every night from there (which required me to wake up at 3-4 am) because I knew the guild needed me for MC. When I was given Tier 3, I had EVERY intention of raiding with BP till the end of my Warcraft days, the guild I loved and cared about so much, the guild that I helped create, and the raiding force I helped forge.

But I quickly realized that the guild I was in was no longer the guild I cared about. Certain people have poisoned what the guild stands for, and what it could be with their laziness and apathy towards raiding. BP continues to take crappy players to raids that have no intention and make no effort to improve. In order for you to do Naxx you need to have all 40 people actively farming potions and materials for raiding, getting people to get potions for one night of Patchwerk was a feat itself. I won’t name names but you should know who you are by now. These players are nothing but black holes of loot and if they’re around during TBC, they will do nothing but bring your 25 man raids down too. You guys had some of the best players on Argent Dawn, but you also have a lot of lazy people who don’t contribute to the raid at all outside of showing up, you can’t make anything happen if you aren’t all on the same page and have a common focus.


I tried. I tried really hard to get the guild back into focus. Haiden tried, Kalrol tried, but we couldn’t do anything without the rest of BP wanting to succeed. Lack of focused leadership, and ultimately progression produces drama, which is what drove away people like me, Gort, Drace, Lithandrea, Haiden, (I hear Kalrol is taking a break too) and even Mikaya.


In the end, I just wanted to raid and finish Naxx and that is why I joined DP. I don’t care if I don’t see a piece of loot (which is actually not the case at all), I don’t care if I’m cut in TBC, it would not be possible for me to go without raiding for 2 months. It’s only been two weeks since I’ve been in DP, but I am having fun raiding again, and having fun playing again. The only regret I have is not joining sooner.

I’ll miss a few of you, but I won’t miss the Estrogen-based drama, guild leadership throwing fits every raid, and the aforementioned lazy people hindering the progress for everyone. Those of you that I considered my friend should know who you are because I will keep in touch and hope to be able to level and do some instances in TBC with you. This will be my last post on the BP forums, so feel free to move this thread to the private forums.

Farewell


Quoted for prosperity, in case you decide to delete it or something :P.

I always knew azgul had an overly large view of his e-peen, but that post is rediculous. I read the first paragraph as:


I deserve a better response from the guild then I got in the guild forums, so I'll post one here for the world to see, so they can see how the guilds success is all because of yours truely. Besides that, I just felt like QQing more and trying to clear this mud off my face in some way so that perhaps in the expansion if DP screws me over I'll still have a home here.


Especially since you basically said in your guild forum post that we weren't 'good enough' for you, and that you needed 'progression' to have fun. I think this post is more to save face then anything. I also love how you eloquently put that everyone in the guild seems to see problems, and it's because of these 'other' people the guild has issues. In reality, you only need look in the mirror to see where these issues are coming from. They come from egocentric megalomaniacs, who think everyone else is at fault, and they can possibly do no wrong.

As the old saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

That is all.

-TigerHeart

Drakana
11-29-2006, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the laugh.

As for the "lazy" people who only show up for raids.. Some people have this thing called work. I know you say you have a job, but your job consists of you sitting on your ass at home playing WoW while "working." Sorry that some people actually have to leave their homes for 9-10 hours a day to work.

Farewell, you won't be missed.

Edit: as for the estrogen-based drama... Could be worse, could be the "my dick is bigger than yours" drama that you started.

Maerlyn
11-29-2006, 09:37 AM
Az... I can only hope that one day you mature enough to realize how totally fucked-up (and factually inaccurate) a "farewell" this was.

So much more I could say, but I'll leave it at "good luck."

Ithaqua
11-29-2006, 09:58 AM
I'd like to point out that a good chunk of the Estrogen-based drama started because of your excessive flirting. Well, that and the crybaby tantrums you'd throw in /o. I guess that along with frequent threats to /gquit counted as leadership? I must have missed the alternate definition.

Food for thought.

Also, as Sinnyil pointed out over a year ago, and Haiden pointed out more recently, you've never been an impressive tank, just well-geared enough to cover up your mediocrity.

Have fun wasting one of DP's raid slots. I hope that someday they have the recruits to do better.

Estan
11-29-2006, 10:13 AM
Why are self-insertion fanfics always so poorly written?

Ithaqua
11-29-2006, 10:15 AM
I dunno Estan, but Azgul has always been all about self-insertion.

Maerlyn
11-29-2006, 10:23 AM
"Estrogen-based drama..." That just sunk in.

Overt misogyny makes this thread complete.

Drakana
11-29-2006, 10:30 AM
"Estrogen-based drama..." That just sunk in.

Overt misogyny makes this thread complete.

Mmm misogyny is fun! Down with women! ;)

Sylinrul
11-29-2006, 02:59 PM
Ya know what Az, I usualy don't post in threads with this much drama in them. All it does is serve to drag it out... but this post exceeds a level of bullshit that even I can put up with.

The fact that you may have had some valid points was completely drowned out by the tooting of your own horn & attacks on generalized groups of people. I don't know what your intention was with this post, but unless it was to piss people off it failed misserably.

I can understand wanting to be with people who are more serious about raiding, and if you'd left it at that I think a lot of other people would've understood too. I also agree that we have a number of people who don't pull their own weight. Unfortunately that's the way life is in all respects, not just in MMO's.

Now... read that paragraph I wrote above again. Do you see the difference between that & what you wrote? I didn't say I was better than anyone else, I didn't point fingers at anyone or attack anyone. But the point was made, and I think will be better recieved than the manner in which you presented it. It's called "tact (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tact)" It's something that a number of people could use a lot of work on...

Just remember it is possible to say what you feel, even if it's something unpleasant, it's all in the way you say it. I hope you take this as advice given by a friend & use it to become a better man.

Good luck & farewell.

Riacan
12-01-2006, 09:54 PM
Die in a Fire Az.

You know before he left a certain rogue mentioned something about this. no not haiden. I didnt beleive him, I didnt want to even think about believing him. I told him that there was no way Az would do that, I guess I was wrong.

You got your DN defaulted to you and now you are leaving and attempting to sugar coat it. You had thsi planned all along i'd bet. You'd get your gear so you could hop servers/guilds and leave this guild behind . I can honestly say all the respect I had for you Az is now gone.

Ental
12-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Hi AD forums... sigh.

Zeolla
12-01-2006, 10:07 PM
Hi AD forums... sigh.

Azgul posted it publicly, so you must have known this time would come sooner or later...

Wish it wouldn't have to be like this though... but you know how the AD forums generally tend to go.

Keeley
12-01-2006, 10:11 PM
Have a good life.

Meides
12-02-2006, 12:37 AM
Hmm...

Take care, Azgul.

Ps: Tiger, didn't you mean 'posterity' ? =p (heh yeh I read that wall too)

Trido
12-02-2006, 03:34 AM
I assume his forum access was revoked and that is why he posted on this forum but fucking hell. He knows what we think of him in BP yet he still posts that crap. He wants to look like the fucking martyr. Make it look like he was the innocent victim in all this. Sounds like another former member *cough*Daemondred*cough*.

I recommend that this post be moved to the private BP forums so Azgul's mud slinging doesn't dirty the guild anymore.

Nemisis
12-05-2006, 08:50 PM
Not adding much to this since it doesn't need to be bumped anymore, but what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Keep yo' heads up BP! :) Change happens but sometimes it's for the better. :heart:

Terras
12-09-2006, 10:12 AM
So.... huh. I did not see that coming. Tschus.

Vambran
01-29-2007, 10:36 AM
Since I joined BP after my friends Alamor (who is gone) and Kalrol (when did he leave) I have never had any problems with Azgul. He was a good tank / player. Sorry to see him go. Just my 2 cents.